RODIMUS TWINK DISCOURSE: harvey liveblogs MTMTE!

Discussion in 'Fan Town' started by artistformerlyknownasdave, Dec 3, 2017.

  1. spockandawe

    spockandawe soft and woolen and writhing with curiosity

    HE'S SUCH A DOUCHENOZZLE AND I LOVE IT. By which I mean oh my god stop hurting the sweetest boy ever who keeps giving you fresh chances, PLEASE.

    I'm half asleep and also a massive massive massive Cyclonus stan, but I'll just say like.... everything he's got going on that helps explain the bad attitude, and everything he's struggling with and refusing to share with the class because he doesn't roll that way, everything sympathetic in his backstory, NONE of it excuses the way he's treated Tailgate up to this point.

    And I could write/have written essays on why he's got the extra attitude on top of his natural temperament, and I might throw some backstory details out there when I'm not in the middle of passing out. But the teal deer is that I would die for him because I am a sucker for character development arcs, and he's one of the frontrunners for that in the comics, and like. I love him so very much and like with Starscream, it also means I love him when he's terrible XDDDD
     
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  2. spockandawe

    spockandawe soft and woolen and writhing with curiosity

    (also no spoilers BUT that dramatic moment pissing you off becomes double extra painful later and it's so good)

    (wait the pain actually doubles once soon and AGAIN later, SO. Four times the pain!)
     
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  3. artistformerlyknownasdave

    artistformerlyknownasdave revenge of ricky schrödinger

    You Are So Valid
    i fucking hate him but i can smell the traumatic backstory wafting off him and i absolutely get why you like him X3
    i'd like to see him develop and maybe stop being such An Fucker, i see the nugget of a character i could like in there and he deserves to recover!
    i dunno if i will ever be able to do cyclonus/tailgate just because there's so much baggage and NOOOO TAILGATE HONEY YOU COULD DO BETTER
    you could do swerve
     
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  4. spockandawe

    spockandawe soft and woolen and writhing with curiosity

    The unfortunate thing is that the traumatic backstory is buried in the Worst parts of phase one (i legitimately gave up and skipped ahead because I hated it so much), with additional flavor in the dark cybertron arc in phase two, which is hit and miss, with some good character moments, but Cyclonus is stuck in the ramondelli art pit, unfortunately :p I'll see if I can pull together a quick executive summary tomorrow when I need a break from work! He got a lot of screen time in phase one, but the bulk of that was SHITTY screen time.

    And the characters who make my ears perk up fastest.... It's probably Starscream, Prowl, Whirl, and Cyclonus, and it says things about me that even pre-development, Cyclonus is probably the nicest boy in the bunch :pppp (i also harbor a shameful passion for pharma, just in case you were in danger of thinking at any point that I had good taste in characters :VVV)
     
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  5. artistformerlyknownasdave

    artistformerlyknownasdave revenge of ricky schrödinger

    oh........cursed......... (the phase one and ramondelli thing, not the character taste :p)

    my taste in characters is very....i mean, swerve, dave strider, karkat, tailgate, i'm sure you see the pattern here :'3 i am a simple enby and the Trash Men are too powerful for my character palate :ppp
    well. i do like prowl and whirl!
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    i mean, i haven't seen muuuuch prowl, but whirl is the kind of awful where i'm ready to hop onboard the trash barge and set sail for garbage
     
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  6. Verily

    Verily surprised Xue Yang peddler

    I did read pretty much all of phase one, including the Marvel crossover which seemed like it was suffering from some sort of editorial mandate to be ultimately pointless. Like maybe so nobody had to tip toe around mentioning any impactful names and places that might require negotiation by lawyers.

    I had to go back and reread most of the Cyclonus related stuff, and even having a much more solid idea of who everyone was, it was still deeply confusing. Some really important things happened during a period where issues had been cut and so the story was squished into several character spotlight issues. Sideswipe was only in like half of his own spotlight.

    So pretty much, I’ve read a good deal of this twice and would still also benefit from an executive summary.
     
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  7. spockandawe

    spockandawe soft and woolen and writhing with curiosity

    Prowl does most of his worst shenanigans outside MTMTE, and not... allllll of it was his fault, but he's been a bad boy in some..... significantly war crime-y ways XDDDDDD

    But! Cyclonus backstory. No wiki checking here, we die like men.

    Our story starts six million years ago, in the golden age of Cybertron. Cyclonus is a bodyguard to this dude named Galvatron. Galvatron is a warlord slash gladiator slash man of violence. In the eighties, he was born when space orson welles took Megatron's corpse, and remade him into someone new and different and you have to buy all these new toys kids tell your parents!! So he's got some unique character of his own, but he's cut from the same mold as Megatron.

    Back in the golden age, Cybertron had been finishing wrapping up what came before the golden age, which was manymany years of brutal on-planet civil war. This was more contained than the autobot/decepticon war, but was supposed to be intensely violent and there was some crazy factional stuff going on, like the low numbers of beast-mode transformers in current Cybertron is a whole THING. There were a number of Titans involved, who are robots the size of cities and/or colony ships, and the 13 historical primes in the mix. Most everyone who lived through the civil war takes a look at the autobots and decepticons and is like HA, you babies and your baby war, that is so CUTE!!!! We don't get much detail about what happened, and TRAGICALLY, most of the detail we do get is through Ramondelli, but Galvatron was in the thick of it, and emerged out the other end with some kind of high rank. Cyclonus wasn't really in the comics we've seen, I think, but he was Galvatron's 'favorite bodyguard'.

    Now, the Ark. Once they hit the golden age, there was this whole Thing with wanting to spread ~pax cybertronia~ and Nova Prime, who was Galvatron's boss, was like I'M GONNA TAKE A SHIP AND WE'RE GONNA GO ON A SPACE ADVENTURE. AND SPREAD PEACE. BY FORCE, IF NECESSARY. Galvatron was along for the ride, and Galvatron brought his favorite bodyguard along with him.

    As a sidebar, there's like a..... weird cabal of mad scientists in this comic, and a LOT of them are tied together as teachers and students. Most of them are Decepticons, and Brainstorm and Ironfist are probably the closest the autobots come to participating in that, but on the Decepticon side you've got a knot of people surrounding Shockwave. There's Scorponok, Bludgeon, and Killmaster, in the recent story, and I'm not checking my sources, but a LOT of people have learned mad science from Shockwave. Shockwave learned from Jhiaxus. When Nova Prime went off in his spaceship, he brought Jhiaxus along as his pet mad scientist.

    So, Nova Prime was like WOO PAX CYBERTRONIA! Galvatron and Jhiaxus were like WOOOO SMASHING THE SPACE-TIME CONTINUUM! And they tore a hole in the universe and ended up in the 'dead universe'. Which is a parallel universe of some kind, made of.... death? Almost everyone on board the ship promptly started dying, but slowly. It took a long time. Six million years later, of the officers, Nova Prime, Galvatron, and Jhiaxus were alive. Of everyone else, Cyclonus was alive, technically, and this other guy called Scourge (who was like 75% dead at this point, iirc). Cyclonus references Scourge as an old friend in his first mtmte appearance, I think.

    At this point, the officers playing their weird-ass games against each other were ready to bust back into the regular world. Timing-wise, this worked out to being right near the end of the autobot-decepticon war, but them cannonballing into the plot ended up being a big factor in the war actually ending. Galvatron mostly led this part of the action, and took Scourge and made a ton of zombie clones of him, 'Sweeps', to be his army. I'm not sure if original flavor Scourge was still mentally there in any of this, or if Cyclonus watched his boss kill his last friend. And Galvatron took.... partial mental control of Cyclonus too, and sent him off into the regular universe to do Shenanigans.

    Galvatron was steering Cyclonus in a very murdery way, and a this-might-destroy-cybertron-but-so-what way. Cyclonus was able to exert a little independence, but not much. At this point in the war, Cybertron was pretty uninhabitable, and right on the hairy edge of being permanently ruined forever. Part of this all was when Cyclonus destroyed the Kimia station, which is what has Chromedome so pissed at him.

    Then, god, this part of the plot was where galvatron's shit got completely incomprehensible and I hate it so much. But eventually. There was a plot detour where one of the old primes helped scrub cybertron clean enough that it wasn't actively trying to murder residents. At some point after that, a contingent of autobots and a separate contingent of decepticons finally stopped farting around on earth and arrived on the planet. And then Galvatron crashed in with his army of Sweeps, ready to wreak havoc. The autobots and decepticons tentatively teamed up to fight him, which they did, Megatron theoretically died in the attack, and Cyclonus managed to break free of the mind control and turn on Galvatron, and he was intensely horrified at how he'd been used, and how he'd been used against his home.

    So that's roughly where things stand at the beginning of MTMTE. Cyclonus is really religious, but the plot never stops to give us toooooo many details about what that entails, but like, Primes are sacred figures, Titans are sacred figures, and the Vector Sigma, which is a vaguely defined force of life, is sacred, and the process of new sparks being formed is sacred, etc., etc. Most of the Primes are gone, most of the Titans are gone and the ones that are left are so busted up they can barely think. The beautiful old cities are all gone, but it's not just that they were destroyed, the entire PLANET is barely habitable, one of the MOONS is missing, the whole thing has gone to shit. New sparks haven't been formed in millions of years, and nobody seems to care about what a crisis that is, in a spiritual or practical sense, the priorities of everyone who's left seem completely fuckt, and all anyone seems to care about is this stupid autobot-vs-decepticon shit.

    So he left at the height of the golden age, which was rich in terms of art and culture and religion, got fucked over and suffered for six million years in a universe made of death, got fucked over HARDER by the guy he served, and then when he finally managed to break free, everything he loved about his home and all those memories he'd been holding onto for millions of years.... totally destroyed.

    Some of that is subtextual, but it's not digging too far past the text (digging too far is reading autistic cyclonus struggling to cope with horrible amounts of change with no warning or support, and a completely changed social paradigm, with nobody to understand what he's feeling, or even recognize that he'd be feeling anything at all :VVVV). He's coping badly for sure, but compared to how some of the other characters do, he lllllllargely manages to keep a lid on the worst of the anger. He's got a bad attitude, yes, but he mostly doesn't act on it. Except with the friendly, lonely, trusting motherfucker who decided to room with him :B

    So he's definitely lashing out in not-okay ways, which are like... hmm. He doesn't cope badly as often as some of the other characters, but when his self-control slips, it tends to involve things like.... hitting Tailgate. Which is very unfortunate, but without going into spoilers, the development!!!! I know you're skeptical, but once he finds his footing in the new cybertronian world, his character goes some COOL places, and I love him. There's even some Cyclonus-Swerve interactions in the future that will probably interest you very much. I can't really say how he develops without spoiling plot points, because he tends to be tied closely to the plot, but I adore it to pieces, just from a pure this-is-cool-writing perspective :DDD
     
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  8. artistformerlyknownasdave

    artistformerlyknownasdave revenge of ricky schrödinger

    goddamn!
    i am Intrigued
    thank you for typing that all up!!!
     
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  9. Verily

    Verily surprised Xue Yang peddler

    A bit more stuff to supplement the above, mostly about the end of the war!

    I think there was an error at some point where someone referred to Cyclonus as a Decepticon in the text and nobody corrected it, so MTMTE kinda ran with that. It amuses me. It doesn’t amuse Cyclonus. Megatron wasn’t even alive yet when the Ark 1 disappeared. That was six million years ago. The war lasted four million years and just ended. I think Megatron is about five million years old. So yeah, the Decepticons didn’t exist until probably over a million years after Cyclonus left Cybertron, but people keep assuming he is one. He doesn’t even go here.

    Kimia is very important recurring setting. It’s a weapons development facility in spaaaaaace. A lot of Autobot characters we know were stationed there at various points during the war. Cyclonus didn’t personally or intentionally destroy it, but he did take it over by force, killing most of the crew. Chromedome was one of the few who made it out. I think Brainstorm was another.

    Kimia was a weapon itself, because of course it was. It transformed into a giant space laser. Galvatron had Cyclonus commandeer it as an improvised planet drilling device to get inside of Cybertron to access a powerful.... something called Vector Sigma. (Galvatron thought he was saving the planet from the Dead Universe. He totally wasn’t. It’s kind of sentient and extremely malevolent and it was totally playing him to get an opening into another universe. Presumably to commit universal vore.) The last living Autobots aboard Kimia, whom Cyclonus had accidentally missed, blew it up to stop it damaging the planet, at the cost of their own lives. So Cyclonus was responsible for the destruction of Kimia even though he wasn’t the one who pushed the button.

    People infected by the Dead Universe typically can’t survive too long outside it for the most part. They’re sorta dead. Undead. The opposite of alive. After the whole scuffle with Galvatron, Cybertron was resurrected with the Matrix and Cyclonus was resurrected too.

    This is Cyclonus’ rather mystically granted second lease on life, which seems very meaningful to him. But there’s nothing left of the things he cared for. If six million years of time hadn’t done it, four million years of war and a planet so ravaged it was, until recent interventions, extremely painful to even set foot on (due to radiation iirc) would have done the trick.

    And yeah, Galvatron was what actually ended the war. The Autobots and Decepticons were stuck in a holding pattern until Galvatron brought in such a bigger threat that there was literally no point in fighting each other. Then the Dead Universe was able to seize control of all the Decepticons except Megatron. (Even Drift, ex-Decepticon, who impaled himself with his own sword to stop it and nearly died. Some people are still unhappy with him about that. It was a pretty drastic solution tbf.) There really was no way to continue the war with that going on. And nobody particularly wanted to try afterwards, especially as I think both Megatron and Optimus were unaccounted for.
     
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  10. artistformerlyknownasdave

    artistformerlyknownasdave revenge of ricky schrödinger

    UNIVERSE VORE?
    rp osmosis tells me universe vore is unicron's fault, did he have something to do with that
     
  11. Exohedron

    Exohedron Doesn't like words

    In this particular case, not as far as we know. The universe is large and full of delicious treats, so of course everything wants to eat it.
    Although given how things have been going recently...
    You thought it was Unicron, but it was I, Shockwave!
     
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  12. Verily

    Verily surprised Xue Yang peddler

    Not yet! Unicron hadn’t shown up yet in IDW at this point. Because this is Transformers, I think we can probably just assume that universe vore is not all that uncommon a hobby.
     
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  13. artistformerlyknownasdave

    artistformerlyknownasdave revenge of ricky schrödinger

    #13! gonna switch to lsotw between this and #14

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    I Hate This So Much
    is that rung's humansona over there.......honey............

    a quantum seizure. that sounds fun
    percy is a cute nickname for perceptor, aw

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    i love him so fucking much you guys

    I WANT A GUN THAT SHOOTS ENNUI

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    1) he's adorable. i just realized this might be a swerve-centric issue and got VERY excited
    2) THE FACE ON HIS DICK IS GONE

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    What Has He Done Now

    ............singing is acceptable but i'm fucking watching you cyclonus

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    drift and swerve u say........

    someone: [breathes]
    magnus: TEN THOUSAND YEARS DUNGEON

    THE SWERVE POSSE. THE GANG'S ALL HERE! i like how it's just a whole bunch of tiny people and then...skids

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    yeah babey

    whoever's drawing the closeups for this issue...it's bad. i don't need all these robot lips and handsome squidwards

    also, god, naming the planet they're vacationing on hedonia. subtle!

    i'm having such a hard time telling skids and magnus apart :')

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    DSGLJSFLGKLFSJGLKFSGJLFSKGSJF
    also i, too, struggle with human gender

    tailgate holy fucking shit. WHIRL LKGLSKJGLSFJGKFSJGFSFJFBFBBFB

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    SWEET BABY ANGEL......

    holy fucking shit
    i'm so glad rung is back i didn't realize how much i missed seeing him hanging with the squad.

    DRUNK MAGNUS IS INCREDIBLE

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    oh sweet boy...

    TAILGATE.

    ohhhh tailgate my sweet sweet child. i want to hug him. cyclonus can stay but he's on thin fucking ice

    oh, swerve, honey...
    he talks big about waitlists for having people in his room, and blurr, and the swerve posse, but i don't think he feels like he has any friends
     
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  14. Codeless

    Codeless Cheshire Cat

    That is indeed Rungs humansona. Magnus has a lot of problems ok? And half of them are Rodimus
     
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  15. spockandawe

    spockandawe soft and woolen and writhing with curiosity

    I'm awful slow to pick up on the juxtaposition, but I just realized that even though they're on a planet called hedonia, this is very much an issue about how some of these bots are... not doing so gr8 XD
     
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  16. Verily

    Verily surprised Xue Yang peddler

    Ime there are few things as effective as hedonism when it comes to revealing unhappiness and deep seated trauma. Like, put someone in a comfortable, safe therapeutic environment and most of their life has gone pretty well, considering! Dress them up in something incredible and take them to the party of the century on an exclusive cruise liner with wall to wall beautiful people and hors d'oeuvres you wouldn’t believe and an open bar, and suddenly they’re a fucking wreck who’s barely holding it together.
     
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  17. emythos

    emythos Lipstick Hoarding Dragon

    God yeah this is a thing
    I've learned so many tragic backstories hanging out at parties
     
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