Shitposting Rave OOC Content Controversy

Discussion in 'It's Galley's Turn' started by cleverThylacine, Mar 25, 2017.

  1. cleverThylacine

    cleverThylacine cuddles for the weird and the fierce

    If you're worried about never being able to have an interaction as a villain without IC conflict I'd say that probably won't happen unless you wander around bragging about how terrible you are and doing horrible things where people can see. There were several of FL's characters who were almost in that boat but they made a point of being assholes.

    I don't even know who is a villain and who isn't from many of these video game/shounen anime canons unless the character makes it incredibly clear by being an asshole where I have to watch, and then all bets are off. Greshan is a special case because I know who he is enough to absolutely hate him and so do most of my characters that know Jame in WT.

    Like, Ford is Jame's moirail. It would not be OOC for him to try to burn that coat on general principles. He can't do it, but that's okay as long as Greshan isn't trying to rape kids in the rave, because being confined to a coat is also a pretty good punishment.
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  2. Aondeug

    Aondeug Cringe Annoying Ass Female Lobster

  3. cleverThylacine

    cleverThylacine cuddles for the weird and the fierce

  4. Aondeug

    Aondeug Cringe Annoying Ass Female Lobster

    Sorry I'm just kind of overwhelmed and nervous right now. And I don't want to get more so. I'll just kind of step out for the moment.
  5. cleverThylacine

    cleverThylacine cuddles for the weird and the fierce

    It's okay I'm super twitchy.
  6. cleverThylacine

    cleverThylacine cuddles for the weird and the fierce

    OK so now that it's been 8 hours since you made that post...don't feel obliged to reply until you're better, but I want to say, for when you ARE okay, I'd like to reiterate that I have not had any problems with Greshan so far. Greshan doesn't do any of the things I have had a problem with happening in the rave. He'd probably like to, but he can't.

    I know you're twitchy about some kind of moral response.

    The posts you've been making have made me twitchy about the things I might say or do if something makes me uncomfortable being interpreted as that kind of "moral response". I think that's why we keep upsetting each other.
  7. Aondeug

    Aondeug Cringe Annoying Ass Female Lobster

    In my case it's because I feel like I am not actually being talked to. And instead being talked at in a series of long posts which I reiterate the same thing to and then get more rambling back. I've got issues with feeling like I'm not being listened to and the conversation was pinging those pretty hard.
  8. cleverThylacine

    cleverThylacine cuddles for the weird and the fierce

    I'm sorry about that. I actually was reading your words and trying to understand them, but I must have failed?

    I am trying to listen to you but I don't always understand you. It doesn't help that I'm scared about nebulous possibilities myself. And also really triggered for a number of reasons I'm trying to figure out and deal with.

  9. Aondeug

    Aondeug Cringe Annoying Ass Female Lobster

    You basically just triggered one of my weird anxiety and panic points by accident is all. Which is feeling like I'm being ignored. Which isn't to say that that's what you were doing. Just at the moment it felt like I was being ignored and only getting more words back which I didn't feel were relevant or useful at the time. More like I was being lectured at and drowned with words. That isn't reflective of the reality of the situation on your end, though. As you've stated.

    It was simply a weird communication disconnect that occurred. One that resulted in me getting panicky and having to cut things off before I did something stupid.
  10. cleverThylacine

    cleverThylacine cuddles for the weird and the fierce

    With regard to the spoilering, I'm in the group that is not okay with a rule about spoilering references to genitalia (even though I did in fact spoiler that part of Lissa's post) and the reason for that is that references to genitalia vary.

    Lissa's post was educational in intent. Had she not mentioned "the real problem with BJs is our teeth" and simply stated that yes, there are pointy bits, but no, they don't cause real pain or do damage to the receiving partner, I would not have spoilered it; the reason I spoilered it was the reference to BJs, not the reference to genitals.

    It's probably because I work in a hospital etc but I'm really kind of offended that facts about the human, animal, or alien body need a spoiler warning. It just feels like giving in to the idea that there's something "dirty" about the body. Pictures, sure, because there are legal issues with some kinds of pictures,'s hard for me to swallow the idea that sentences like: "The penis does not have spines that are sharp enough to break skin" need a spoiler.
  11. unknownanonymous

    unknownanonymous i am inimitable, i am an original|18+

    i like mentions of sex, discussion of genitals and stuff like that. i also like dark stuff, the sort that sometimes comes up with the transformers and some of cT's characters' backstories and alternia. i'm not sure exactly how i feel about assholes of the sort that cT mentioned but i do have fun with my characters' interactions with them.

    i don't think i'm triggered by any sort of fictional content, as far as i know.

    the idea of stricter tagging and/or a more restricted rave sets off my anxiety. i could probably manage the stricter tagging if it became a thing, but it would still make me anxious. a more restricted rave might be hard for me to play in since i'd constantly feel anxious about being bad and impure and bound to eventually break the rules and Get Punished in it, and it just wouldn't feel like the spr to me anymore and wouldn't fulfill the purpose that the spr currently does for me. i dunno but my response to things having lots of rules often is, "omfg, i could probably potentially break one and get in trouble and now i'm thinking about how i'd break one. and i'll get in trouble and i wish the idea of breaking one of these thousands of rules didn't get in my head in the first place. and it feels kinda tempting now but... fuck."
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  12. cleverThylacine

    cleverThylacine cuddles for the weird and the fierce

    I might be wrong but I think you could still have fun interacting with assholes without having said assholes commit torture where we all have to watch and get away with it, and I really can't handle that. You've never done that. I don't think you need to worry about breaking that rule.

    The closest you ever came to really upsetting me was the origin story of Goffik Zeus and that upset a lot of other people too, but we ALL worked it out and it seems very unlikely that you will ever do that again.

    I just don't want to be around characters who will do that because they enjoy doing things like that and enjoy our characters not being able to stop them, rather than because they got caught up in some kind of manic feedback loop and forgot that funny to them isn't funny to everyone.
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  13. furrylatula

    furrylatula a pissed off homestuck girl

    hey so i barely know what the fuck even started this bc the tone + length combo of cts original post is quite literally too physically painful to even fuckin try and comprehend BUT the responses show exactly what wouldve happened if id actually been uncomfortable with cat dicks instead of 'lol u guys done yet' and proves i made the right choice gettin the hell outta dodge

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  14. unknownanonymous

    unknownanonymous i am inimitable, i am an original|18+

    yep, i probably could. i just wanted to set out what my personal boundaries are and aren't.

    and thanks!
  15. cleverThylacine

    cleverThylacine cuddles for the weird and the fierce

    Well, you know, after all the time you spent talking about Norm's dick *shrug* ...?

    If you had been uncomfortable, FL, you would not have been the only one. You have made me uncomfortable a bunch of times but I guess that doesn't count because I'm not under 18.

    ps: you could always have asked me to rephrase it or shorten it or clarify it or anything instead of flouncing.
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  16. a small fis)(

    a small fis)( 26 people in a trench coat

    are you really trying to argue with a 15 year old about whether you can talk about dicks in front of them is this really the hill you want to die on
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  17. IvyLB

    IvyLB Hardcore Vigilante Gay Chicken Facilitator

    Emotions are running high right now which is absolutely not conducive to any kind of productive talk about this.
    @furrylatula I'm sorry you are uncomfortable and feel pressured and disrespected (? I think? Please correct me if I'm wrong I'm not the best at identifying emotions) due to how you read cT's initial tone. If you do plan to return to the spr one day, your input on the ruleset we are trying to crowdsource right now would be valuable, but I can understand if you don't want to.
    @a small fis)( Can you explain to me why biological realities about organs are something one can't talk about? I am not US American, so I may be missing cultural context here???
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  18. Mendacity

    Mendacity I’m meaner than my demons

    There is no cultural context, otherwise we wouldn't have biology / human bio / human anatomy classes in High School. If there was a cultural context for this then Wikipedia would have 18+ areas. When talking about sex in an educational way it is not considered pornography or (in most situations) needing to be flagged for minors.

    Now that we actually know that FL left because of this, and now that others have pointed out the inconsistencies, I'm going to (mostly) address FL with what I say next.

    We all know that your 'not fl' account is technically you but you had stated previously that you did not always share views with it. Using it as a mouthpiece is unfair especially due to multiple people who play in the SPR having processing disorders such as autism or (in my case) literal brain damage. I'm aware that in panic, or when you're triggered, it's hard to be fully logical but this is why this started. cT was not sure if you were aiming it ACTUALLY at her or if it was an IC thing.

    Furthermore, the reason it exploded further is because people that seemed completely unrelated were attempting to White Knight you. For multiple people, including myself, this pings very poorly. You never communicated with any of us, so we assumed that you had other reasons for leaving. I especially assumed that you wouldn't appreciate people jumping to your defense like this because I know for a fact you don't want to seem like a predatory minor. You're not one, by the way, but I personally cannot take hearsay or 'what other people say about how you feel' as legit because of personal trauma. That's a me thing, but I know it plays into why a lot of us were offended at what Seed was saying.

    Now, my key issue is that I know you have issues with cT. This is why the inconsistencies, and lack of communication, made it hard for all of the rest of us who actually enjoy rping with you to understand what the fuck was happening. It makes it seem like this was literally just because of cT and not the dicks at all.

    Literally all you had to do is make your TNFL post in the OOC and people would have stopped. Period. The problem was that you made it in the IC area and that's fucking confusing. I know you're 15 and such, but I have a lot of respect for you and your roleplaying. I also know you know that the IC / OOC wall is super important to communication, and if you didn't feel safe enough to say shit across it that's a problem in of itself.

    TL;DR - If you'd just said this in the OOC thread the dick talk would have instantly stopped. No matter what. Period. It didn't because you said it ICly and there was no way for any of us to know if that was really you you or just rp you. Ya dig?
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  19. swirlingflight

    swirlingflight inane analysis and story spinning is my passion

    Yes, this. I'm not arguing with teenagers that they have to tolerate me talking about sex in front of them. I welcome and thank people for letting me know when they're uncomfortable, because I want the chance to know and decide how to proceed.

    I'm arguing that, if people do not express their discomfort out of character, then I'm not going to know they're uncomfortable. I cannot read minds. I'm not going to infantalize anyone and I'm not going to assume I know what's best for them. The fact that we're talking about this is because none of us seek to trample over others' boundaries. The point of this conversation is to figure out what those boundaries are, and work out how best to work with them. If you think this is a bunch of gross grownups scheming to wave our dicks in childrens' faces, learn some fucking reading comprehension.

    I'm not going to rp smut with a minor because I would be uncomfortable doing so. I'm willing to make dick jokes with a minor who doesn't mind. And, because I don't want to hurt anyone, if I get even the impression that a minor is uncomfortable, then I'll ask. I appreciated CT asking because the idea that FL's been uncomfortable had not occurred to me. That's my bad for assuming things without checking. I hate ~I'm sorry if~ apologies, so I've been waiting to hear back before offering one.
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  20. swirlingflight

    swirlingflight inane analysis and story spinning is my passion

    TL;DR if none of us cared we wouldn't have had a 10+ page conversation, we would have just ignored it and kept doing other things.

    The fact that we're dumb and bad at this is a fair reason to check out.

    Claims that we're gross sex-pushing adults who are pushing minors to shut up and take it are bizarre and confusing.
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