Shitposting Rave OOC Content Controversy

To be really blunt, unless FL actually asks you to step in on his behalf, I don´t think you get to argue for either him or any hypothetical teenager. I will listen to any Actual teenagers who are uncomfortable. And to any of those teenagers, I promise that I Will listen to you and take your concerns seriously, and I will not be angry at you for bringing up anything you´re uncomfortable with.
I am annoyed with you, seed, specifically, for trying to enforce rules on behalf of someone who has not asked you to do this, who might hypothetically be uncomfortable with a thing. If you personally are uncomfortable with a thing that is another matter, but some hypothetical teenager. No. Just no.

 

I´m also really uncomfortable with the idea that any talking about sex is evilbad and must be hidden away from the hypothetical children.

 

i mean i'm also uncomfortable that we're sharing this shit with kids, unspoilered. that's me arguing on behalf of me.
i also don't like that my strawman teenager (who is based on things i have felt as a teenager) might be really uncomfortable with that situation, might see that and feel awful because of how much wasn't said to mend damage, but apparently that annoys you so i don't get to talk about it?

we have a fundamental disagreement then because i think talking about sex like that in front of kids is inappropriate, full stop

 

I'm reminded of a post on tumbkr that went around the circuit jesse and roach reblog in. Let me go dig it up.

 

You get to talk about whatever you want. I get to disagree with you. cT was as far as I understood, asking FL if he felt uncomfortable. FL has not answered. When or if FL ever answers, we, or rather mainly cT, can talk about things with them and see what we can figure out.

But no you do not get to make rules about peoples behaviour on behalf of someone else who has not asked you to.

ETA: Yup it is a fundamental disagreement. I do not think acknowledging sex is automatically going to scar people.

 

I am personally of the opinion that frank but vague discussion of kink is not going to be scarring to kids either. It turns out that a lot of people have kinks one way or another and I'd rather sex ed materials included discussion of how to safely and consensually negotiate and handle kink/unconventional sexuality stuff (such as pointing out that claws would need to be capped, or that engaging in sexual relations with demons might be dangerous/painful in settings where this might be common fucking concerns) than people getting injured due to not knowing what the shit they're doing.

 

...yeah, Seed, I'm uncomfortable.

 

if a kid wants to see that kind of thing a kid should be able to seek it out
seeking it out of their own will =/= seeing it right there in a thread that is usually and ostensibly SFW

 

But the thread is not sfw. It's not 18+. It's pg-13, not g.

And you just said you think any discussion of sex from an adult to a minor is inappropriate, full stop. Your boundaries are rather wide, and you don't have to change your mind but that is, to be frank, an unsafe boundary to expect from everyone. Do you think kids should just learn about sex from other kids, like those other kids know jack and shit?

Look. You're sex-repulsed. That's okay. But that also means you have wide boundaries when it comes to sex.

 

I appreciate people saying "this makes me personally uncomfortable" and requesting changes.

I also appreciate people saying "I believe this carries significant risk of harm, or create a precedent that will eventually lead to harm," and requesting or even advising changes.

Those are useful things to know when trying to make a game that works pretty well for a lot of us.

My eyesight is blurry as shit right now for reasons but I'm gonna try my best to read what's been going on instead of just quickly skimming it.

 

im really not sex repulsed i just have really intense boundaries about this stuff when it comes to minors
apparently more intense than others
sorry for offending people i guess? i really didn't realize this wasn't a thing most people felt and im kind of baffled

 

I am not sure I can articulate how much I just do not understand why a conversationary tone and content level I'd consider perfectly okay for a crowded cafe of mixed age patrons is a problem. Like this isn't sharing pornographic material in a public place it is normal conversation about things that are everyday concerns. Because that's the thing about public threads, they aren't a daycare center, they are in public.

 

Yeah, and like, I'm sure you have your reasons for that and I don't think you're entirely wrong. But I don't really wanna talk about your hypothetical teenage self in a conversation that started with you unintentionally talking over FL. I'm glad we worked out what makes you, personally, uncomfortable, but just as other people's boundaries aren't more important than yours, the reverse also implies, and there are some people who fully agree that there are boundaries between teens and adults who still react very poorly to rhetoric that comes off as sort of anti. Even though I don't think you're an anti.

If a minor had a question for me about safe sexual practices I'd answer them, although I'd also point them towards resources they could use themselves like Scarleteen. I don't really see how that's much different than what is fictionally happening in the spr in the parts you quoted. I agree that stuff where characters are actually and obviously getting down with each other should probably be spoiled even if no outright sex is happening. I am uncomfortable with you enforcing your own boundaries by talking about a 14 year old who isn't even here right now to put his two cents in.

 

I agree with Petra. I would also be majorly uncomfortable with us deciding anything without at least FL, the minor who posts in here the most, but ideally the others teens as well, having their input. since this is a matter that directly concerns them.

 

literally
yall were fine talking about your hypothetical teenage selves until i did it, then it becomes a federal fucking issue
god forbid someone use your tactics to disagree with you

im really not into talking about this more though

 

Yeah because you were talking about what a hypothetical teenager wants while ignoring the fact that he's not here.

 

my hypothetical teenager was me! it was me as a teenager!

 

Like why is it when I'm trying to discuss this with you calmly and reasonably you just engage with my 'tactics'. It feels like you're not even interested in a discussion, and maybe you're not, but people aren't obligated to cater to your exact comfort level!

 

It was FL. You were talking about FL. You accused CT of arguing with FL because she expressed her discomfort and asked for boundary clarification, because I guess god forbid anyone have boundaries that aren't yours??

 

Well, I found the tumblr post I was thinking of.

:guy walking in with pizza to a burning room .gif:

Let me try to put some words together in a different style because this is a matter that I appreciate bringing up, and I'm not offended in a way that'll interfere with me doing so.