Spoiler: guys I just had a thought if all Diamonds 'grow up' the way Pink did, and at some point are smol to reflect a 'in process of learning', more child-like state.... SMOL BLUE AND YELLOW. I MEAN I KNOW THEY'RE EVIL BUT JUST THINK HOW CUTE THEY WOULD BE....
Spoiler: okay re: Pink I saw some people saying a thing and I think it's worth noting: Pink's diamond, her gem....is not a full diamond shape like Blue and Yellow's. their gems are shaped differently, but they're still full-on diamond shapes--Yellow's is a perfectly symmetrical diamond, and Blue's is asymmetrical by being longer in the top half, but they're both diamonds. but look at Pink's. Spoiler: spoiler in a spoiler for image size Pink's gem is NOT a full diamond. it's faceted differently because of its different shape, and it's not a proper diamond shape. admittedly that is a sideways shot of the ways some actual diamonds can be cut--but it's a little strange to me that her gem isn't shaped like an actual diamond like Blue and Yellow, our other two shown Diamonds thus far, have had. it sets her apart from the other Diamonds we've seen. subtly so, but it's different from the 'norm' we've gotten with the other two Diamonds. and while the other two Diamonds had diamond shapes in their murals that could be considered 'close enough' to the real thing, imo, because they are diamond-shaped gems, Pink's is a square in her mural and yet her actual gem shape is different from that in a way that the other two Diamonds' aren't. and it's not like there aren't multiple ways of drawing diamonds--Pink could've had a short top and long bottom, or her gem could've been wider rather than longer, or even just a proper diamond like Yellow's but just with longer lines so it's not a perfect square. I feel like her gem's shape difference was deliberate, because it's Rebecca and there's no way she would've done that on ACCIDENT. and I think that's interesting.
Spoiler: saw a theory about Pearl so I follow this guy on YouTube, his channel's The Roundtable, and I like a lot of his SU theories, and just watched a video he put out about Pearl's role on Homeworld. first off, I have to say I agree with something he said--it seems pretty likely at this point that Pearl belonged to White Diamond. they're in the same color 'class', Pearl's gem is in the same spot as WD's in her mural, and even more than that, Pearl was part of the rebellion for AGES, so she would've had to defect pretty fast to have been Pink Diamond's pearl. anyway. he made the video about what he thinks Pearl's role on Homeworld was, and he pointed out that while Peridot says Pearls on Homeworld are more ornamentation than anything else, he points out that Blue and Yellow Pearl seem to do....a LOT for their Diamonds. they're far more than just ornamentation, I mean they literally act as court stenographers in Steven's trial and it seems like they're very used to doing that. that's....a big job for a Gem that's supposed to be 'just ornamentation', which suggests that the Diamonds' Pearls do a lot more than your average Pearl. on top of that, they seem to be very loyal to their Diamonds--at the very least, Yellow Pearl is basically in LOVE with her Diamond, and clearly considers herself close to her Diamond. most Gems are expected to revere and adore the Diamonds, but it seems like that would especially apply to the Pearls of the Diamonds. so if Pearl was White Diamond's Pearl, it seems like she must've had a pretty important job on Homeworld, right? and then he pointed out that Pearl is....extremely versed in weapons. like, she knows how to use a sword like an expert every time we've seen her, she can use her spear competently too, she can dual wield spears and swords, and she's mentioned to have a battle axe--that's at least three weapons that she's proficient with, and she has quite a collection of them now. like, especially if the rebellion was pretty new when Sapphire was called to Earth, as seems to be the implication--Pearl was IMPRESSIVELY GOOD with that sword, and that either means she's a VERY fast learner, or....that wasn't the first time she's used a weapon. he also points out that when she fights Lapis's water clone of herself, she splits it right down the middle, across the gem--AND when she's enraged by Peridot after she and the other Crystal Gems are trapped by Peridot, she stabs....right for Peridot's gem. true, Peridot turned out to be a hologram--but she LITERALLY struck right at Peridot's gem first. on top of that, there's something I personally always found strange--Ruby's freak out over Pearl going towards Sapphire. like....Pearl's not shattered any Gems thus far, and in fact Rose wouldn't abide shattering Gems, with the exception (seemingly) of Pink. so why did Ruby panic so much? yes, she'd fail her mission, but Sapphire would've been fine, and I think it's safe to say that there wouldn't have been ANY reports of the rebellion SHATTERING Gems. just poofing them. this only really makes sense to me if Ruby had ACTUAL REASON to fear for Sapphire's life. and, given that Sapphires are rare, aristocratic, and can see the future--if Ruby thought Pearl would kill a gem that day, she had reason enough to think it would be Sapphire. but given that the rebellion wouldn't have shattered anyone at that point, why would she think that? which brings me to the Roundtable's theory: he thinks Pearl served as executioner at trials the Diamonds attended. think about it. the other two Pearls of the Diamonds play important court roles, and prior to the rebellion, the Diamonds attending probably meant a pretty serious infraction, which means shattering would've happened pretty fast, but I can see the Diamonds not wanting to get their hands dirty. so who better than what now seems to be the oldest Diamond's Pearl to be court executioner for those who committed serious infractions? that would explain her proficiency with weapons, and why she strikes for the gem itself in the heat of the moment, and Ruby's seeming fear that Sapphire would be KILLED--after all, White Diamond's Pearl, court executioner, the one who shattered convicted criminals? yeah, that's definitely reason enough for Ruby to fear for a high-ranking gem's life when Pearl came at Sapphire. and it would explain why only pre-war Gems would fear Pearl THAT intensely--only they would have seen Pearl act as court executioner. later Gems wouldn't have seen that, might not have even really heard about it (because you don't want that to be a story that lives to travel the ranks. looks bad.) and if Pearls are expected to love their Diamonds, know them intimately, I mean....it may not have even occurred to the Diamonds that a Pearl would betray them, let alone one of their OWN Pearls, and so as long as Pearl only has a sword during trials to carry out her job, what's the harm in teaching the oldest, wisest Diamond's Pearl to dispose of criminals? it's probably not accurate, because at the end of the day even a Diamond's Pearl is still a Pearl, and who in their right mind would give a Pearl a weapon? but I love the theory anyway, it's so fun to consider. plus, "I literally got White Diamond's court executioner to betray Homeworld AND stop shattering Gems" is....a pretty persuasive line for Rose to try and convince new rebels with. :P
Spoiler: spoilered for possible Jungle Moon spoilers will I ever stop posting here like I'm talking to myself? no. anyway, this comic both made me laugh and FEEL REALLY BAD.
Spoiler: some thoughts re: pearl A friend of mine raised a point about Pearl: we know from Jasper that she might in fact be defective to some degree, and unlike the other Pearls we've seen, her gem is ovoid rather than circular, which lends credence to that--in the real world, "baroque" pearls (pearls that aren't perfectly circular) are way less valuable than perfect ones, for obvious reasons. But we know, of course, that she had an owner back on Homeworld, and...I doubt White Diamond would keep a defective Pearl. However, she was pretty clearly made for White, IMO....but I doubt White would've been too inclined to keep her if she was defective. But you know who might not have been considered "worthy" of owning one at all,? Pink. And we can likely infer from her behavior in Stevonnie's dream that she would've really, really wanted one. Obviously the most important Diamond couldn't be seen with a defective Pearl, but Pink? Pink seems to have been the least important Diamond. Who cares if her Pearl has a misshapen gem, or if she's a little different from the other Pearls? My (admittedly probably-flimsy) theory: Pearl was made for White Diamond...but White gave her to Pink, because while she couldn't tolerate having a defective Pearl, she figured Pink would at least be willing to settle. (How well this worked out is obviously highly debatable, given that Pearl ended up rebelling and Pink seems to have been quite the spoiled brat, but...)
Spoiler: omg re: your thing Acey the thing that's funny to me is that that probably would've pissed Pink off so much. she seems to want the same things as the other Diamonds, not their DEFECTIVE HAND-ME-DOWNS. oh my GOD can you imagine. "I want a REAL Pearl!!" "this is a real Pearl." -in that whiny 'BUT MOOOOOOOOOOOM THIS ISN'T WHAT I WANTED!' tone- "no it's NOT! look at her gem. I don't want White Diamond's DEFECTIVE CASTOFF!"
Spoiler Oh, Pink would've hated it! Which...probably didn't work out very well for Pearl, for obvious reasons (although the whole Literally A Former Slave thing would've fucked her up anyway).
I've just been reading these and catching up on this thread, but I've been brewing an idea in my head that has very little to do with the above beside PD's reveal, just - trying to get my head right around it because it's probably not right but I wanted to air it anyway. Spoiler: diamond speculation, spoilers for Jungle Moon We now know that Diamonds can come in different sizes - possibly depending on age. PD seems young, and if she IS in fact going to grow to the size of Yellow and Blue then... what if Diamonds don't have a cap on their growth like organics do? What if they can just keep on going? We know that gems aren't bothered about the void of space. In White Diamond's mural, she's depicted as holding Homeworld in her hands. In 'The Trial' we saw her silhouette in the sky. What if the mural is literally true? What if the reason we haven't seen any sign of her anywhere else is because she's as big as the Cluster was going to be, if not bigger? I know it's a silly idea, but I can't get it out of my head. You all need to suffer with me. :D
Spoiler I like the idea, but how is Steven supposed to reason with her if she’s the size of a planet?
Patti LuPone, the voice of Yellow Diamond, performed at the Grammys tonight. While introducing her, the host said "prepare to clutch your pearls". I doubt that this was actually a deliberate Steven Universe reference, but I was very amused nonetheless. ...in fact, I got a little carried away and performed "What's The Use of Feeling (Blue)" for my mother, who doesn't watch SU. She said it was "Broadway-esque".
don't get me wrong I'm excited but also that's SO FAR AWAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY I WANT IT NOW stamps Eevee paw stamps too hard, hurts paw
Spoiler: so uh someone pointed out that CN released a bingo card for the app bomb episodes--Sadie Killer, Kevin Party, all of them. and the bingo card....contained things that happened in those episodes, but also in Lars of the Stars and Jungle Moon. and the card....also contains things that haven't happened in any episodes we've seen yet since the card was released--like 'Steven gets new powers', 'new fusion', and 'Diamond attack'. and I have to wonder if that's intentional--them trying to throw us off on expectations for episodes--or....if they actually put in stuff that's going to happen in future episodes of season 5. and the fact that the bingo card was released for the most recent app bomb but also contained things from Lars of the Stars and Jungle Moon makes me feel like....they might have included some other stuff that's coming in season 5. and like, personally, I don't feel like that 'ruined' season 5, like some people are saying that CN has now spoiled all of season 5 and I disagree to some extent--I mean 'new fusion' doesn't tell us a whole lot other than 'there will be a new fusion', and like, there's a LOT of characters who haven't fused yet. so sure, they told us to expect a new fusion, but that's....not really a giant spoiler that kills the series and leaves me lacking excitement--if anything, that makes me more excited. but also, I'm just wondering if they actually DID release information about the season or if this is just....something that pertained to the app bomb and ALSO Lars of the Stars and Jungle Moon and they just didn't specify. at the same time, apparently Rebecca Sugar did say that we'd likely be seeing Rainbow Quartz 2.0 this season, and....that would technically count as a 'new fusion', which.... eta: I'd also note that like....some of the things that seem really Big, like 'Diamond attack'--they don't....necessarily have to be referring to current events in SU. that could be about a flashback to the Diamond attack on Earth that corrupted Gems there, or some other flashback-related thing. they could've been kinda sneaky about some of it. secondary eta: you could also say that Steven has already gotten new powers, but personally I don't consider 'resurrection' to be a NEW new power, more an extension of a previously existing power.
Spoiler this show is like homestuck. Everything means something, no matter how significant it looks at the time. I’m guessing everything on the bingo card is going to happen.
Spoiler: I'm back on my pet theory bullshit and need to share Forgive me if I'm channeling Ronaldo here, but I'm starting to think Rose Quartz is/was Pink Diamond. 1) Pink Diamond doesn't have same gem shape as the other Diamonds, it looks like something between a round cut and a single cut. If you were to only look at it from the top, it's very similar to Rose Quartz's gem. (Also interesting, real life pink diamonds are notoriously imperfect. The pink color comes from other minerals that got mixed in as the diamond was being formed, it's hard to find large ones that aren't cracked or have bits of carbon in them.): Spoiler: pics 2) Stevonnie's dream. Steven has gone into other people's dreams before, but nothing like this. It's always been people who are currently alive, dealing with things in 'real time', problems they are currently having, not flashbacks. Steven has also never become the person who's dream he's sharing, either he shows up in their dream or he shows up in theirs. I think it's also pretty significant that Yellow Diamond took the form of Connie's mom. Fusion is weird, but if this was a memory Steven was having, it makes sense that two people who share a similar role would get mixed together as well. 3) Rose Quartz.... is weird. The point has been made over and over that Quartz are soldiers. They have a wide variety of powers, but all they all come down to "hit it really hard". Rose Quartz doesn't fit that at all, she could heal gems, she had some kind of connection to plants, she was an incredibly charismatic person who was able to both inspire a rebellion and tactically lead it. We can't compare her to other Rose Quartz, they are in 1000 years dungeon. We also, notably, haven't seen what powers the Diamonds have. They are very big (except for pink), and are the leaders.... but what else can they do? 4) Garnet and Pearl's reactions. Garnet is possibly the worst liar on earth, and she's got some major tells. She forgets what the story is supposed to be halfway through, and get's this incredibly stilted, minimal way of talking. If you watch Garnet in Gemcation, when she starts to tell Steven the story of Pink Diamond: A) This is her "I'm telling a dramatic story" mode of talking. B) Rose Quartz isn't there, at the dramatic final battle. C) Her entire explanation of events is "Pink Diamond was bad, she had to die so the earth could live". There a whole lot of stuff missing in that explanation. 5) Pearl's reaction is also, interesting. She's clearly fighting to tell Steven something, and even shouts "I want to tell you!" Is she fighting with herself, or with some kind of compulsion she was given? Multiple people have already made videos about this, but in hindsight her reaction when the subject of the Diamonds comes up looks really strange, and kind of forced. She's the one who seems to know the most about Homeworld and the Diamonds, but she's silent. Why? There are a whole bunch of ways all this could fit together, but here's my idea: Pink Diamond was somehow defective, she might be a runt like Amethyst, she might be an offcolor (why she was still allowed to be a Diamond at all is a whole separate rabbit hole that I'm working on but it's even more wild speculation). She arrives at Earth, her first colony, probably many years after the dream flashback we witnessed. For whatever reason, probably many, maybe exactly what she said: she fell inlove with the Earth and life on it, she decides she wants to break contact with Homeworld and the other Diamonds. Faking her death and living as a Quartz could serve a couple purposes. She didn't want to simply recreate the Homeworld hierarchy with her ontop and everyone living out their assigned roles. "Killing" her former self, and living as someone who was not meant to lead, would serve that perfectly. She might have also thought that faking her death would be the only thing that would get the other Diamonds to leave her alone. Maybe this was right, maybe this was a terrible call that fucked the Earth long term, maybe I'm talking out of my ass! Having a sort of parental or sibling relationship with the other Diamonds would also give some more context to how she dealt with Bismuth. Poofing someone, then sticking them in a bubble forever is pretty damn harsh, especially if you then let all your friends think they died. Even if you hate your family and have changed your identity, it's gotta be hard to hear someone you consider a friend plan on killing them and you. Finally, if Rose Quartz was Pink Diamond, it's possible that Pearl belonged to her, and is the only one who knew about this deception. Waaay back in season one, Pearl does say that Rose trusted her more than any other gem. She shared her deepest secrets with Pearl, and nobody else. This would be one hell of a secret, and make their relationship even more wonderful fucked up complicated! Was Pearl sworn to secrecy, in either a literal command sense, or did she make Rose a promise that she still can't stand to break? In conclusion-
I'd say one, because Pads is a sapphire (though an aberrant one) so it's probably be more like a same-gem fusion (like the Rubies we've seen)?
