Well of course the circumstances are different and Peridot's goals are vastly more malevolent, but I was just pointing out that tumblr darling Lapis has also attacked the main characters and put children in danger. "Exact same reason" weren't the words I should have used, but the point I was making is that there are similarities and that tumblr is ridiculous, basically.
Has anybody else noticed the resurgence of "WHY ARE THERE NO MALE GEMS AHHHHHHHHH" Cause I keep seeing that.
Fun factoid about that complaint! I just recently showed my little brother the show (he's 14) and not once did he complain about there not being any male gems. SO YEAH if a 14 year old can take the show as is, why can't they.
...there are people who seriously make that complaint? I thankfully never see them. Just people bitching about them.
(Off current topic sorry) Hey in case you guys were unaware, there's an SU kink meme! :D http://sukink.dreamwidth.org/368.html There's a lot of good fills already, but also a ton of requests that haven't been filled yet.
The "more male gems" complaint is one I feel like I should be more sympathetic to, but honestly? I think SU has pretty equal dude/lady representation, if we look at the whole cast. And side characters can be pretty important in this show, so I don't fee like it's undeveloped or uninteresting or monochrome dude representation. So it feels to me more like people are complaining that they don't get to see dudes taking more action hero roles, instead of the multitude of cool dads, dorky teens, and weird kids we do see. Like, I want t0 sympathize, but all I'm hearing is "if only we could get a dude gem up in there to make punchies, then this show would be truly equal," and, just, nah son. As a non-action dude myself, nah.
I want to work on the one Connie/Pearl thing, honestly. In the kinkmeme. It's the only request that really made me go yeah that sounds like a thing I wanna do.
Spoiler: personal feelings on the male gem thing (it's complicated haha) regarding male gems: it's kinda weird probably but... i have trouble conceptualizing the argument as being about action heroes, exactly, even if that's really what it's about. like, to me, the Gems are Awesome Magical Beings With Cool Powers, not Punchy Action Heroes (despite them being fighters a lot of the time). so yeah... that makes me a bit more inclined to sympathize with men, since what i'm thinking isn't, "men don't get to do the punchy thing on su," it's "steven is the only male character with Gem powers and Gems are awesome! i can see why a man would want (more) men to be Gems (specifically, not in the sense of Men Want Men To Be Everything), as opposed to just, say, avengers and whatnot." they are a special, specific thing to me, not just a another way in which men can kick ass violently. and i can see men wanting to be that specific thing for the sake of the specific thing. yet... i still like all the Gems (other than steven) being female and think it is a cool worldbuilding and representation thing. i just don't wanna fault men for wanting to live in that world as Awesome Magical Beings With Cool Powers, not just humans. and like, this might go against su's 'fantasy's love affair with reality'-type message but... being a Gem would be pretty cool and i see why only seeing themselves as human beings on the show just wouldn't cut it for men - for reasons beyond dominance and whatnot. yeah...
legit, this last episode when she was flying off into the sky and cackling, i was expecting a "and peridot's blasting off agaiiiin!" and a little twinkle
Fair point. I can definitely see wanting to be a coolio magical duderock from outer space, and that's absolutely something I can empathize with. What I said was more in response to people who've been completely ignoring the dudes that are present to complain about the lack of dudes who could reasonably be expected to participate in punchies. Like the only dudes that actually count are the dudes who are dudely enough to hurl rock through the sun or whatever. I'm kind of irritated by that attitude regardless of where it comes from. Or what gender it's aimed at. A motherfucker don't gotta fight to be an interesting character, and not fighting doesn't make a character weak. Grump, grump, snarl. So, yeah. I'm being emotional about this more than rational, sorry.
I've also seen people draw a male celebrity or two (Thomas Sanders got a lot of them) as gems, and personally I have zero objection to that, mostly because it's all in good fun, there are definitely masculine-presenting gems, and the fandom has been pretty good about just letting people headcanon however they want. I only have an issue with it when it's the entitled Nice Guy "but why isn't this about meeee?"
Okay I'm sorry but it's been like eight hours since I first read this and it's still making me giggle Edit: @KarrinBlue Jasper and Ruby were who I was thinking of. Not using masculine pronouns or whatnot, just presenting in a more masculine way. Sapphire's on the other end of the scale.
@tinyhydra ah, that makes sense. i mean, i haven't seen that (but i've heard of it) 'cause the steven universe circles i travel in are basically kintsugi and tumblr (mostly my dash, at that). like, i've seen the one popular post about how "steven universe has only one male main character" but... that particular post doesn't really convey the entitled Nice Guy thing to me well enough to make up for how i've seen it nowhere else. so, it's all secondhand for me and thus... yeah... but i'm still kinda like, "what?! gems are action heroes?!" not exactly how i see them really. and yep, fighting is not what makes an interesting character. after all, as i've shown, it barely even crosses my mind, really! XD @prismaticvoid yeah. i've seen karkat and other male characters as gems too. norm the genie is a gem in the fop su au i'm doing, as well. so yep, you're right about that. and that all comes off kinda weird when juxaposited with the reaction against the entitled assholes for me, 'cause, well, having only experienced them secondhand, it is hard to understand that they are really doing a different and more assholey thing - that it isn't merely a negative interpretation of the thing i usually see. yeah... @KarrinBlue amethyst's purple puma, from tiger millionaire? and jasper might count as masculine-presenting, depending on how strictly or loosely that's defined.
some people were saying ruby was a guy on the su wiki in order to invalidate garnet being space lesbians in a trenchcoat and for a few minutes, that actually caught me, so yeah, @prismaticvoid @KarrinBlue, she'd count as masculine-presenting to me. though jasper and purple puma were the two i thought of first, even though whether pp counts is debatable.
I really need to follow that person everytime I see another of their voice acting posts it makes me smile like hell
Also I just want everyone to know that people comparing peridot to invader zim made the invader zim tag trend today on tumblr
re: male gems I'm in agreement that it's fine if guys are like, "I want to be a cool magical space person" and fine with... pretty much everything regarding male gems, actually, as long as it doesn't devolve into a "I am uncomfortable when we are not about me??" thing which seems like that's what it mostly boils down to, at least if tumblr is anything to go off of but then again, I've become mega skeptical about whether or not there actually are any guys making arguments like that because I haven't seen it so far, I've just heard tumblr complaining about it. But like. Just having fun and playing around with making male gems for fun, there's no harm in that 8I Spoiler: semi personal complaint But like, the backlash against male gems was so bad on tumblr at one point that I felt really bad for making my gemsona a male? Even if just the thought of making the gemsona a female was kind of triggering my dysphoria *shrugs*
