Steven Universe

Discussion in 'Fan Town' started by Wiwaxia, Mar 24, 2015.

  1. liminal

    liminal I'm gonna make it through this year if it kills me

    Watching a documentary on David Reimer was my introduction to gender vs sex. On the one hand it made an excellent crash course that gender =/= sex and having a gender that doesn't match your body causes serious psychological harm so I never went through a "gender is just bullshit" phase. On the other hand it was such a dramatic case that I didn't learn that there are other forms of dysphoria and the varying degrees that people can have until tumblr (I learned about the concept of a 3rd gender from the Taboo episode on gender so the whole "nonbinary" thing was pretty easy to understand and I'm kinda glad I didn't learn about that from stuff like "my gender is space" blogs).
     
  2. I. Yes. That.
     
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  3. KarrinBlue

    KarrinBlue Magical Girl Intern

    You know, the last lines of the song in the new episode strike me as... a bit ominous?

     
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  4. tinyhydra

    tinyhydra a dingus

    The Ideal~
    I think it happens a lot that people who don't get the things they want/need out of media get really defensive over what scraps they can cling to, and that leads to shitty situations where people need trans girls and people need NBs and people need cis gender nonconformant peeps, and then there's big old kurfuffles over having to share space, cause all those things can't exist in the same character. And then we have to play the "whose desires matter more" game. And that's never a fun time.
     
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  5. Wiwaxia

    Wiwaxia problematic taxon

    I absolutely agree with what you're saying here, but in the interests of being a pedantic little shit, I'm gonna point out that you can technically have your cake and eat it too in this particular situation, by way of Stevonnie.
     
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  6. tinyhydra

    tinyhydra a dingus

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  7. tinyhydra

    tinyhydra a dingus

    Wait, so, would that be Trans Girl Steven and GNC Connie or GNC Steven and Trans Girl Connie?
     
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  8. Choco

    Choco Duke of the Weepy Marshmallow Brigade

    world peace is achieved, glitter rains from the sky, and everything is happy forever and ever amen.

    no but in all seriousness, that's why representation is so important. the danger of a single story and all that. man tho, like every week i'm just so super glad steven universe is a show that exists, and there's a whole generation of kids who get to grow up watching it & learning those lessons.
     
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  9. liminal

    liminal I'm gonna make it through this year if it kills me

    > "hey I wonder if I will come across some cool meta or cute fanart in the trans steven tag"
    > checks tag
    > several posts about how fans are conflating crossdressing with being transgender and how trans Steven (or even nb Steven) would never be canon
    > at least one post about how headcanoning him as trans or nonbinary is horrible and disrespects his gender identity

    Well I think that's enough tumblr for me today
    why do I never learn
    every time I go to any steven universe tag on tumblr I have an awful experience
     
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  10. Lissiel

    Lissiel Dreaming dead

    Read on mobile so the text is tiny and you have to work to read it. Skip all textposts. Profit?
     
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  11. tinyhydra

    tinyhydra a dingus

    Huh. That seems. Off. You know, I see a lot of common trans headcanons, and they're mostly like "dude/lady character A is trans dude/lady", and not a whole lot of "chick/bro character B is trans dude/lady". It might be that people just don't want to "change" familiar characters like that. Or something. I dunno, honestly. Sucks, anyways. :< I like Steven as a dude, but he's hella cute every which way.
     
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  12. liminal

    liminal I'm gonna make it through this year if it kills me

    Yeah, I get that as far as we know, Steven is is a boy who likes feminine things an feels no shame about that. That's great as it is! But I personally like to headcanon him as nonbinary, and even if it's not my headcanon I think the trans girl headcanon is cute. I thought tumblr would be more accepting of trans headcanons, since IIRC Dipper and Danny Phantom being trans guys are fairly popular headcanons. I really didn't need several lectures about how I'm a terrible person for conflating gender presentation with gender and how I am misgendering a fictional character because I have a headcanon.
     
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  13. emythos

    emythos Lipstick Hoarding Dragon

    Wait, transguy Danny Phantom is a popular tumblr headcanon? Huh. Really?
     
  14. tinyhydra

    tinyhydra a dingus

    Yeah, I think that's the deal. I think I might have mucked it up a bit.... But, yeah. Danny and Dipper are guys in canon, and thinking that they're trans guys doesn't change that aspect of their characters. Thinking Steven isn't a guy might be more of a deviation from what they're used to than some peeps can handle.

    So, to make it clear, I think people might be more okay with keeping canon genders and changing the sex of characters, but they get squeamish over changing the canon gender and keeping the designated sex. Maybe cause the story of a beloved character learning that they're a different gender than what they (and the audience) first thought is very different from the story of a beloved character who is as he is and sorted out all or most of the trans stuff before the start of the story.

    Sorry if I'm fucking this up, haha. I'm not doing words good.
     
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  15. mizushimo

    mizushimo the greatest hits

    I can confirm, I've seen a lot of trans-danny on my dash, but that was a few months ago, along with trans-Striders. Honestly though, I've seen tumblr get on the case of anyone who has a gender head canon that's different from canon. Tumblr's extremely reactionary about many 'new' ideas, but usually the moaning and wailing will die down as soon as something new comes along. I remember there was a big 'backlash' against artists who drew the Crystal gems with breasts, but I haven't seen anyone crying about that lately.
     
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  16. That's cause someone brought up that Rebecca Sugar has drawn them with breasts.
     
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  17. Secret Squirrel

    Secret Squirrel certainly something

    ...I thought you were talking about Steven for a moment. XD
     
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  18. Oh, no, the gems.
     
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  19. Acey

    Acey hand extended, waiting for a shake

    ...Did people somehow miss that Amethyst and Rose both have pretty distinct busts, and that while Garnet's figure is confusing in general I'm pretty sure her weird chest lump is also breasts? And if you count non-Garnet fusions, Rainbow Quartz and Opal both have breasts, and Sardonyx and Sugilite might too, it's hard to tell.

    Seriously, you could argue that Pearl doesn't have breasts, but she's the only Crystal Gem who's shown to be flat-chested, not counting Ruby and Sapphire (or Alexandrite, who's weird design-wise anyway). There's a bit more flatness with the others--Peridot in particular--but still. That's still several gems who have The Tiddies in canon.
     
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  20. Wiwaxia

    Wiwaxia problematic taxon

    [indistinct geologist muttering about lack of cleavage]

    #strictly speaking peridot should have more boobs than any of the crystal gems #well, except sugilite and alexandrite
     
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