Kathy was talking a bit about the same thing. What is the point of yelling at me until I agree with (group) if changing my opinion has no affect on the context of what I say? To tangent, one or more people declared CICO was disordered eating. I think someone from the anti-CICO was brought around to that it's a tool that could be valuable or could be misused. (Tangent again, axes could be used for murder-purposes or chopping wood. I'll refrain from expanding unless asked.) If there were a complete divide on the issue instead of people moving to the middle of the maze, all sorts of nasty things could happen. But if person X was dismissed by CICO-moderates as a CICO-anti and nothing could get through to them even after they came around? Maybe even expanding to "they like the fad-diets that CICO prevents." Topic shift NOTE: I think I lost some things because I haven't had breakfast yet and I've been up for 6 hours after not eating much yesterday, please poke me if it's something you'd like a response on. Topic shift again. Discord looks fixed. I'll look into thiamine. I won't automatically fix everything, but it might cut down on problems.