Undertale - Pet dogs and date a skeleton!

I actually personally started calling it the "Destruction Run" myself, specifically because of the whole confusion over the "no mercy" title, haha

 

Destruction and obliteration both seem like good alternatives. (Although I think I read at one point that Toby may not have actually said anything in objection to "Genocide"? Not sure though.)

 

It ^^vst be fvckin weird to kill so^^ething that's ^^ostly ^^agic. And it'd be pretty easy to ]vst not think of it as killing, what with the^^ all vp and dissolving into dvst. A thing that's ^^ostly energy that ^^ostly goes away after yov end it. Be kind of annoying, tho. If Frisk or Chara were the kinda kids who'd take shit apart. Flies and frogs and roadkill. I think i'd be annoyed if there wasn't anything left after so^^ething got killed. Yov lose everything worth having when yov kill a ^^onster. There's not even a corpse to dissase^^ble. Yvnno, if yov're into that kinda stvff. Vrgh, what even the hell a^^ I saying?

Yov think ]erry is the ^^ost solid ^^otherfvcker in the Vnderworld?? He's got pretty high defense, don't he? Toriel and Asgore prolly have higher... what kind of physical resistance does a ^^onster give yo when yo're hitting the^^? It's gotta be there, they ^^ove shit. Fvcking hell, I dvnno what even I'^^ saying, fvck.

 

Killing monsters is based on murderous intent, right? That's why it's so hard to kill Jerry- even if you're killing him, you still have to be around Jerry. It's just not worth it.

 

that's probably really likely.
but yeah i think the higher your murderous intent is the less resistance the victim monster might give to whatever weapon you use on them?
there probably isn't even a real resistance left when you are firmly on the geno route.
it's like sliding the blade into a premade slot

 

This person does really good covers, but this stood out to me.

 

Agreed. My other favorite cover of theirs is this one, their cover of Death by Glamour.

 

Yeah, the thing about Toby not liking the term 'Genocide run' positively reeks of 'my dad's sisters mom works for Toby and she says -' .

I mean, look at his Twitter. He talks about watching the stream of the guy who came up with the term 'Genocide run' in the first place and having a good time watching how much fun he was having, and this is a guy who named his character 'Hitler'.

And wouldn't he have had a word with the people behind the Undertale wiki if he had concerns with it?

 

i think someone argued that they don't like the term because 'Genocide' was technically spoilers
but then like what would you expect to happen in a run where you do the videogame equivalent of turning over every single stone to find monsters that might have gone into hiding instead of run away and murder them?

 

There's a point at which people need to accept that talking about or seeking out talk about an aspect of a thing is going to spoil them a little about the thing. As it is, 'Genocide' hints at what needs to be done to accomplish the run, but doesn't say anything about how the characters react, the boss battles, or the end results of the run.

 

Yeah, the term 'Genocide route' is as much of a spoiler as 'Pacifist route'.

 

@Beldaran
Yeah, apparently if you troll Flowey by beating him in the neutral route, then repeatedly reloading your save to face him again, he'll eventually say:

Spoiler

"(...) [Papyrus'] garbage brother.
You know.
Smiley Trashbag.
...
Say.
If I have ONE piece of advice for you...
DON’T.
Let his brother.
Find out ANYTHING about you.
He’ll... well...
Let’s just say.
He’s caused me more than my fair share of resets.
Stay away from that guy."

So basically: any timeline in which Sans figured out any of Flowey's fuckery is a timeline in which Flowey has a bad time. As such, Flowey avoids him like the plague, resulting in Sans knowing jack shit about Flowey and blaming Frisk for all the timeline fuckery.

 

*is now imagining Flowey having a bad time*

 

Spoiler: About Sans knowing about timeline fuckery, but not about Flowey, and The man who talks in hands

If you haven't heard about Gaster, this spoiler warning is here for a reason.



Okay?



You're still here.

SO. If you do the stuff needed to get the key to Sans' workshop, you can find drawers of blueprints and shit that Frisk can't understand, a broken machine the player can't see, and some photographs.

The first bunch of photos are of people Frisk doesn't recognize, smiling, with Sans... and Sans looks happy enough that the narration points it out.

In the conversation in the MTT restaurant, Sans has a few ppointed remarks about how it makes sense to him to be content with this life here, rather than destroying it to get back an old life.

If you do the stuff to switch your fun level, and talk to the grey kid and guys who mention Gaster... you find out that Gaster was once the royal scientist, who fell into the core and effectively died. He was wiped across time/space, effectively erasing himself from history. I don't think anyone else mentions him, ever. And if you try to name the fallen child Gaster, the game nopes back to the intro movie.

The guy commonly understood to be Gaster appears to be another skeleton, but sorta deformed? As if he were very scarred, or melting like an amalgamate.

So signs point to, this is not Sans' original timeline.

Signs also point to, he has or HAD access to readings about the Save power causing timeline fuckery, and the destroyed timelines where Chara wins. But yeah, like the above posts say, he doesn't seem to have really precise knowledge about it anymore. He doesn't know about Flowey in particular, and assumes that Frisk is the anomaly.



Anyway. What I was meaning to get at is, Sans' depression seems to be a mix of losing his friends (and maybe family?) from before whatever the fuck happened, and partly the fact that he doesn't know how to fix any of it.

 

Spoiler: more of the above

Specifically Gaster is responsible for the CORE and is said to have 'fallen into his creation'. There is four different 'grey NPCs' you can get at different Fun values. There is also the 'It's rude to talk about someone who is listening' line and 'How do I know this? I'm holding a piece of him right here.'
I think the two main theories wrt sans and gaster championed rn are either 'Gaster was Papyrus' and Sans' third brother OR their father.' OR 'Sans and Papyrus are splinters of Gaster that are big enough to have (re-)gained conciousness', with Sans probably being the bigger part as he seems to have rudimentary memories and his sleeping Zs are in the Aster font.
I personally think it would makemore sense for sans to be gaster's little brother or son, though.

 

I.

Guys.

You know that trope going on with

Spoiler

having Alphys build a robot body that somehow they get Flowey into, despite the whole soul question.

Feast your eyes on this one.

Usually they make the body very kid-Asriel for the cute factor, but I think this might be better?

 

YES GOOD
(Does he wear stiletto boots too?)

 

Spoiler: random true pacifist ending thought

i bet sans especially felt like such an idiot for not realizing that the flower that was talking to his brother had been the true anomaly all along, and that he had been barking up the wrong tree with his focus on frisk(flowey isn't the only one following frisk throughout the game after all)

it must have especially stung to have found out that so much effort had been a huge waste even without the timeline being reset