ok, i phrased that badly. potential goodness is uncertain, as is potential continued suffering; current suffering is certain, as is nothingness. i have no real evidence that potential goodness is more likely than potential continued suffering, and again there is no point at which someone has suffered "enough", they have to keep holding out because they MIGHT get better, no matter how much it hurts them, because that's what's expected. i don't mean to make this thread about myself but i did wait 5 years, and then 10, and have seen nothing but steady decrease. why is life, in general, better than death? even if someone chooses not to die, all life and existance is temporary and ultimately has no meaning, so why is living regardless of potential goodness the "right" choice?