Writing What You Don't Know: The Assistants

Discussion in 'Make It So' started by jacktrash, Aug 3, 2016.

  1. ChelG

    ChelG Well-Known Member

    True. Okay, I'll use that scenario for them dying of exposure instead and save the cannibalism for a different scenario.
    How about people locked in a basement or something and their captor gets killed and no one else knows they're there? That'd probably work better.
  2. Lizardlicks

    Lizardlicks Friendly Neighborhood Lizard

    Could do. It's better to look at real life cases of well documented cannibalism than pulling from pop culture, though.

    The Donner Party is a good example of that sort of desperation in otherwise sane and sound individuals. Trapped by snow, some of them died of exposure, and even then they had to discuss it and came up with a system (labeling bodies so that family members wouldn't have to eat their own for instance). In nearly every recorded case usually is a) desperation and one person has already died (there is usually still a great deal of moral weight and shame in survivors) b) tactics of psychological warfare (eating the corpses of fallen enemy soldiers) c) funeral rights designed to honor the dead and d) as @hyrax said, crazy, murderous bastards.
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  3. ChelG

    ChelG Well-Known Member

    Oh, I was already planning for the first person to already have died and for it to massively fuck up the survivors - that was kind of the idea, fucking characters up ^_^ Having a murderous bastard in the mix will also help.
  4. ChelG

    ChelG Well-Known Member

    For another thing, how long can someone have their hands tied above their head before circulation problems start? (I've read "Sunstone" so I know what happens, but that didn't give a time.)
  5. bushwah

    bushwah a known rule consequentialist

    just from what I know of kink safety: don't tie someone's hands above their head, if they put weight on them their shoulders can dislocate. the way to avoid the dislocation thing was explained to me as "tie each arm out to the side." I don't ...actually know of any circulation problems, and don't see an obvious way for them to appear, aside from if the tie was so tight that it cut off circulation to the hands, which on some people might be necessary to keep them restrained but on others pretty clearly wouldn't be -- I might be missing something though.

    and probably obvious but disclaimer: I would not try any of this irl without looking further into bondage technique.
  6. jacktrash

    jacktrash spherical sockbox

    i get the impression chel is not writing kink, but murders, and that bad things happening to the tied hands is the point?
  7. bushwah

    bushwah a known rule consequentialist

    no, I know, but I only know about murders from the other side (trying to prevent accidental damage). so I'm saying: as far as I'm aware dislocation is a bigger issue than circulation, and I'm not sure loss of circulation is the default for that position, but if the rope's tied tight enough it will happen.
  8. ChelG

    ChelG Well-Known Member

    I write both, it can be useful for both! Also I want to know if a scene I'm reading in something else works or not. The character's hands almost immediately start feeling cold, which implies circulation problems from hands being above heart level too long.
  9. IvyLB

    IvyLB Hardcore Vigilante Gay Chicken Facilitator

    that could just be a panic response tho, depending on context.
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  10. LadyNighteyes

    LadyNighteyes Wicked Witch of the Radiant Historia Fandom

    How quickly will someone in a situation where they can't move very much- not totally immobilized, but, e.g., mostly bedbound or stuck in a small prison cell without exercise breaks- lose muscle mass? How quickly are there likely to be serious physical side effects?
  11. Saro

    Saro Where is wizard hut

    Well, from personal experience, 3 weeks basically bedbound in a hospital will cause loss of muscle mass. I was pretty weak for a while after I was released.

    This article (free, I think) might be useful? This one as well.
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  12. jacktrash

    jacktrash spherical sockbox

    when i have a 2-week flare i lose all my gains from physical therapy. i don't become completely feeble, but there's a noticeable tactile difference in my muscles, they become softer.

    i feel like there's a plateau where you can spend a lot of time in bed and not get much weaker, a couple months maybe, you kinda stay at that 'cookie dough' stage but don't drop the rest of the mass. that might just be me though. i only lost enough to get wobbly-weak and noticeably smaller when i was in bed for 2 months after surgery.
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  13. Emma

    Emma Your resident resident

    For hospitalised bed bound patients notable loss of muscle mass occurs after a week. We encourage all our patients to at least sit up in a chair next to the bed if they're able.
  14. WolffyLuna

    WolffyLuna Member

    (Not quite sure if this is the right place) Does anyone have suggestions for diseases that mid-20s seemingly healthy person could get, that go from 'first obvious symptoms appear' to 'dead' in 24 hours or less? I was currently thinking of this character having the bad luck to have a stroke at a weirdly young age, but I'm not sure how plausible that is, or if there are more plausible things.
  15. Mercury

    Mercury 17 Quicksilver Scribe Tramples The Unrepentant

    There was that H1N1 strain of influenza in 2009-2010 that caused immune response overreaction in some younger people that caught it, and they died from it. I think the theory is that younger, more active immune systems are more prone to overreacting. Here's an article about it. Similar things happened with the 1918 flu pandemic.

    Meningitis is also known to kill young people pretty fast. 24 hours or less might be too short a window, but not sure.

    I do remember my mom had a co-worker in his 20s that died of a brain aneurysm. As far as she knew he was young and healthy (they worked in a factory building travel trailers, so physical fitness was a must).
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  16. Emma

    Emma Your resident resident

    Wrt to strokes: some people are unlucky enough to get strokes at such a young age. It usually means there's a hereditary problem with cholesterol or their vascular system. It can indeed kill you, especially if people don't recognize the symptoms as those of a stroke because a young person doesn't get strokes.

    You can also have various congenital malformations that can be asymptomatic but fatal at the wrong moment. Like venous arterial malformations in the brain that erupt and cause aneurysms.

    If you're specifically looking for something that kills usually instantly there's always Sudden Cardiac Death. That's where a person inexplicably drops dead.
    See more here: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3017912/
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  17. TheOwlet

    TheOwlet A feathered pillow filled with salt and science

    If you want something infectious, septic shock can do you in very quickly even if you're young and healthy, particularly if thd infection was encapsulated and then opened suddenly into the blood stream.

    For traumatic stuff: spleen damage is good for seemjngly a lot less serious than if is because you can bleed out from those right quick should they develop into a rupture. You might develop that from an unlucky bike accident if you hit your stomach in just the wrong spot on the way down

    Heartmuscle inflammation damage from infections months ago can also drop someone otherwise healthy one Moment to the next after an exertion. There's a number of cases from this where soccer pros died on the field.
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  18. Mercury

    Mercury 17 Quicksilver Scribe Tramples The Unrepentant

    Congestive heart failure is another one that can strike seemingly out of nowhere - had a friend whose sister died of it. She'd complained of coming down with a flu or something one evening, was in the hospital that next morning, died that evening.
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  19. Acey

    Acey hold my cold dead hand for a bit

    It's not too short a window--the daughter of a couple at my parents' church died of meningitis VERY suddenly in college. She collapsed in class and was dead by the end of the day, from what I understand. So that's a pretty feasible idea for such a disease.
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  20. WolffyLuna

    WolffyLuna Member

    Thank you for your suggestions!
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