NSFW RP: consent, minors, and other boundaries

I'm not clear about what the scope of the problem is.

 

It'd be useful* to have for the DT threads, though we've already got those labeled mostly. But if there was a full NSFW sub-sub forum, I'd request DT be moved in its entirety while still contained in its own sub-sub(sub?) forum because we like having those all together in one spot.

edit: *useful to have the tag, that is.

 

Personally, I'm of the opinion that a subforum would be a good addition, and a general statement of etiquette re: spoilering the nsfw parts anyways because of various squicks, YKINK, and the potential disinterest of reading other people's NSFW content in, say, a larger RP venue such as the rave.

However, speaking of the rave, this does bring to mind a few [x] threads [x] regarding a past issue with it. If nothing else, a good starting point for where people stand (if even in regard to the one venue).

 

Suggestion: If folks who see a problem with a post--even if it's old--could report it, mods could see what's going on. Bonus, you don't have to "out" yourself in this thread.

 

The Rave is 100% free of actual nsfw-rp anyways as we are aiming for PG-13 as is (excepting cuss-words and violence though most of the latter is being spoilered for courtesy). which it says in the first post of the current iteration of the rave. And which was the result of said threads you linked. If there is any problem with the rave as it currently is I am not aware of it at all?

This sounds like a good idea, except I have no idea how workable this is. for starters it would 100% require the cooperation of the involved minors?
And also I would like to know why you even rule out fades to black, just out of curiosity, bc I always perceived those as a way to basically go 'These characters hooked up without anyone involved actually having to play anything for a variety of reasons ranging from 'don't want to', over 'no spoons' to 'one or more of the people involved is a minor''

 

Agree with last statement from Ivy. It's hella common in PG-13 settings, to the point it's used in media.

 

No present issues from me, mostly was using it as an example of a very large scale venue where, speaking from experience, I don't particularly care about the majority of other people's posts. If there were a NSFW RP with similar scale, and posts weren't spoilered because they're vanilla, I'd likely not participate as often due to not wanting to read through a ton of smut as I wait for a response or something to respond to.

But the two threads are still useful for past data, even if you strip the ties and connections to the rave.

 

I personally would prefer a NSFW tag as opposed to yet another subforum, agree with PR on moving DT in its entirely if subforum.

Beldaran, I see where you´re coming from but honestly I think that errs too far on the side of restriction. Note, if a minor Rper is not confortable even with fade to blacks, that is one hundred percent ok, but I don´t feel comfortable making it a hard and fast rule that they are essentially not allowed to write characters who have sex ever. Which is what this comes down to.

Also player =/= character. A fade to black in my eyes does NOT translate to "we had unmentioned sex here" it´s translates to "These fictional characters had sex here, but we´re not actually gonna write that"
ETA for clarity: I just don´t agree with your premise that a fade to black is the same level of simulated sex as writing the scene.

 

Yeah, I'm curious about the logistics of no fade to black as well. As it is, I know all the people that I rp with regularly outside the rave are above 18, but making even a no fade to black with minors rule would involve outing of RP subs, which some people are reluctant to do. As it is, I see fade to black as a way to imply sex happened without any details needing to happen. Obviously if someone, minor or not, is uncomfortable with the implication that their character had sex, that's a different issue entirely to be worked out OOC. I'm just kind of curious what you/mods feel a no fade to black with minors would add? Is it for legal reasons? Forum policy? The comfort of the average forum-goer? To protect people who may be uncomfortable putting up boundaries? None of these are bad reasons, I just think that whichever reason it is may influence the approach you want to take.

As it is, iirc it's forum policy to mark threads with explicit content that's not just sex ed or abuse processing as 18+ anyway. I can't speak for other RPs, but DT at least asks the ages of other players who want to join (off forum, but it did happen) since we're an 18+ space. I think the rest of the guidelines are good and things I've seen most people try to follow, I'm just wondering about logistics of the minor thing, because like @IvyLB said, it would require 100% cooperation from the minors on-forum, and it would have to be a policy easily found for people just getting into RP here.

 

"fade to black" is a standard thing FOR THE PURPOSE of making stuff PG-13. I think someone is getting into purity culture to say it should not be used that way.

 

I think it would be a good idea to have measures in place regardless? In most forums that have RPs I've seen, there are strict divisions between the SFW and NSFW—I don't think the idea is "POLICE ALL PEOPLE WHO MIGHT INTERACT" so much as "this thing feels unsafe and UNCOMFORTABLY close to NSFW With Minors, can we have boundaries on it?" Legally, adults should not be engaging in any sex-related things with minors including any foreplay, and rp is included in that.

Like, yes, people do lie about their age to get into things, but I think the policy changes suggested lean towards...trying to balance that with, like @sirsparklepants said, legal reasons, comfort of average forum-goer, and people who may be uncomfortable putting up boundaries.

I know that I personally have had some trouble getting into the RP scene on the forum—it's kind of intimidating jumping into things that have a TON of backstory built up, and some of the ones that are more free-form feel too fast paced, or a little...iffy on respecting boundaries.

EDIT: I really don't think it's about purity culture here, I think it's about things intended to be PG-13 that ended up getting pushed way into "this is fucking skeevy" territory. Fade to black is a standard thing for the purpose of making stuff PG-13 when minors are involved passively, consumption of media and active participation in it are definitely different.

 

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